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Adeli
10-03-2012 09:48 AM

Silent Motors?

I am looking for the best electrical motor in terms of low noise ('naturally silent" no need for isolation or special bearing ...).
the targeted power range is around 1kW and for speed above 5000rpm, thank you.
10-03-2012 11:49 AM
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Drives
10-03-2012 11:49 AM
At that speed wind noise is going to be a challenge. Brushless, Fully potted stator.
Questions: Truly silent, or merely silent within the human hearing range? Fixed speed or variable?
10-03-2012 02:49 PM
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Adeli
10-03-2012 02:49 PM
thank you , I was looking for a ranking for most silent (human hearing range) electrical motors. speeds can be above 5000 rpm. what about IPMSM , SPMSM?
10-03-2012 06:51 PM
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Bestry
10-03-2012 06:51 PM
Is this for wind application? if it is... we can throw the conventional induction machine out of the wind(ow) (i know... it's a generalization). Now, for today's new applications, we are left with two 'real' options: PMSMs or DFIGs. As far as noise creation on the electromagnetic part, torque ripple (also referred to as pulsating torque) will be naturally present in both machines. However, note that since PMSMs have PMs on/in the rotor part, the issue of cogging torque (which is a component of the overall torque ripple) will always be present, even when the machine is open-circuited. so in that respect, maybe DFIG is better, but this is only one part of the problem.

Overall, i think that for the application engineer, if torque ripple is indeed an issue; i would make sure that some physical consideration was taken when designing the machine's geometry in such a way so that torque ripple will be minimized (i.e. skewing of the stator teeth, introduction of dummy slots, etc.)

Hope this helps.
10-03-2012 06:56 PM
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Neil
10-03-2012 06:56 PM
You're too picky, in my opinion. The original poster did not specify AC or DC. Stephane has relevant knowledge, and linked to a description of a relevant technology. It's something to think about--whether those motors could be scaled up 10X.

I had actually considered mentioning the little coreless brush DC motors (I have specified Faulhaber in the past), but they don't get up to 1kW and I don't have first-hand knowledge of why they are quiet.
10-03-2012 08:51 PM
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Kosnic
10-03-2012 08:51 PM
IPM is probably not the way to go. The reluctance forces cause a little torque ripple, even with good closed-loop control. This will be audible.

I'm not sure if PMSM or induction motor would have more potential for silent operation. Induction motors have the advantage of near-perfect sinusoidal flux, although you'd have to watch out for saturation of the stator and rotor, at least for closed-slot designs.
10-03-2012 10:53 PM
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Genis
10-03-2012 10:53 PM
the noise comes from well known point, but there is no miracle, if so everybody will do such motor. You have mechanical noise from bearing, flow noise from fan, and electrical noise coming from variable frequency drive, whatever the technology, you'll get noises. What is needed to know is what is asked by the local norms, what is the exact application and regulation you want to do. Then we could give you idea about product type,
10-04-2012 09:24 AM
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Control
10-04-2012 09:24 AM
In my experience the most silent motor is the surface magnet brushless dc with the sinusoidal flux distribition on the magnet poles, the slotless winding configuration, no saturation in magnetic circuit and the sinusoidal drive .
10-04-2012 11:54 AM
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Adeli
10-04-2012 11:54 AM
thanks a lot for all your comments,

One application is for home electrical appliances. There is more and more demand on silent equipments but silent motor is not enough for example the body of a ventilation system brings noises during operations.
10-04-2012 03:25 PM
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Konis
10-04-2012 03:25 PM
These are not AC machines but DC Brushed motors with a power rating of 100W max. It is obvious from the discussion that this is not the type of motors that A.B. was looking for Why you would post this product in this discussion is unclear?
Personally, I would appreciate if members could keep this forum being professional and not an advertisement forum.
Would you guys agree or am i too picky?
11-18-2012 11:50 PM
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Eagle
11-18-2012 11:50 PM
Your post has moved the debate forward. Thanks for shanrig!
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